tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-314338408594443818.post4276384103839188879..comments2023-03-26T01:07:57.197-07:00Comments on Science Forking Fiction: Edward & Bella: abusive relationship?Thorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01702255859416716456noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-314338408594443818.post-80083867370174406672021-06-22T06:43:29.105-07:002021-06-22T06:43:29.105-07:00Thanks for that!
But actually, in the books, Edwar...Thanks for that!<br />But actually, in the books, Edward doesn't leave Bella in the woods, they are just a few metres away from the house, she walks deeper into the woods after Edward disappears. So, no dick move here.<br />I think that Edward and Bella's relationship isn't healthy because they are extremely co-dependent. But a lot of fiction couples are and I kinda like the trope - because I know it's just fiction! I'd never want a relationship like that in real life. So in my opinion we should talk more about those things and also show healthy functional relationships in franchises.<br />What we shouldn't do is suffocating constructive discussions, only taking informations from the movies (because come on, the movies get it wrong all the time and especially Twilight)and trying to transfer things that only work because it's fantasy to the real world.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09620378150460818006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-314338408594443818.post-61148041578629899272009-11-30T12:32:15.264-08:002009-11-30T12:32:15.264-08:00Blogger's not letting me leave a long comment ...Blogger's not letting me leave a long comment (even though I split it in pieces smaller than 4096 characters), so I will respond when it lets me.Thorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01702255859416716456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-314338408594443818.post-39142437421286390582009-11-30T08:46:26.133-08:002009-11-30T08:46:26.133-08:00I agree with both Paul and Andy. I think the big ...I agree with both Paul and Andy. I think the big take-away from this movie is that it encourages teenage girls to make a love-interest the center of their life. Teenagers are too young to be making decisions that will effect them for the rest of their lives. Bella is too young to be in a relationship that is all-consuming.Melaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14079544447796155166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-314338408594443818.post-79280382151742602692009-11-30T06:01:33.678-08:002009-11-30T06:01:33.678-08:00BTW,
did you read the comments on the IO9 article ...BTW,<br />did you read the comments on the IO9 article that you posted the link to?<br />They almost universally agree with me.kirwooddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03461069606353975518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-314338408594443818.post-73945124276142657782009-11-30T05:52:13.505-08:002009-11-30T05:52:13.505-08:00No, you are just an apologist.
"I loved this...No, you are just an apologist. <br />"I loved this movie so it cant be bad." Ok, well someday you will have kids, and if one (or more of them) is a daughter you will (hopefully) feel differently. <br /><br /><i>"But he's a vampire. Scary by nature" </i> Uh, yeah, so are pedophiles and abusers. <br /><br /><i>"If I wasn't so attracted to you, I wouldn't have to break up with you." </i> Yes, that is controlling. You need to read a book or just spend some time in bars. That is the oldest trick in the dam book. One hand giveth while the other hand taketh. "He DOES like me! If only I could change so that he COULD stay, its all my fault."<br /><br /><i>* Threaten to commit suicide?<br /> "I just can't live without you. In fact, I'll run to Italy and try suicide by vampire if anything happens to you."<br />“Edward never threatened to commit suicide. He tried to commit suicide, without a word to Bella. He would have died, and she would have thought he kept doing the “immortal vampire” thing, had his sister not intervened. Threatening to commit suicide can be considered psychologically abusive and a cry for help. Attempting to commit suicide and not telling anyone about it... not so much.” </i><br />Ok look, he tried to commit suicide, yes he happened to fail, but is that really the point? Would you want your daughter to date this 300 year old “kid”? (who hangs out at high schools)<br /><br /><i> “* Threaten to kill you?<br /> On their first date. <br />Again, unique situation.” </i> Dood, really? Samantha comes home from school “Daddy, a meth head told me to stay away from him because he might accidentally kill me while in a meth induced rage.” What should my reaction be? What should Samantha’s be? It is a threat. If he was REALLY concerned about Bella he would have never even talked to her. Nobody says something like that without a reason. If he REALLY cared about her he would have left her alone, but instead he issues her a warning that “I may kill you in a vampiric rage” the implied finish is “so if that happens its your fault because I warned you.” Dood, nobody says something that ominous without a reason.<br /><br /><i> “* Pushed, slapped, bitten, kicked or choked you.<br /> Does tossing her through a glass table count?<br /><br />“No, it doesn't. When in a house full of (friendly) vampires, one of whom is only newly “vegetarian,” Bella accidentally cut herself. Reacting quickly, Edward threw himself between Bella and harm (in the form of his “brother” Jasper), accidentally knocking her over into a table. This act of defense should not be confused with an act of aggression” </i><br />DOOD! HE TOOK HER TO A HOUSE OF VAMPIRES, put her in a vulnerable situation so that he could play the hero.<br /><br />Ok, I wont answer to all of them, you clearly liked the movie and can justify anything. He puts her in danger, then saves her and that makes him a “good guy”? No, it makes him a giant ass hole. Try this, pretend that you are the girls father and see if that changes your opinion. Your daughter is hanging out with a 300 year old vampire that eats people and hangs out with others who do the same. When he gets pissed he can throw cars, he is not above suicide to “prove his love” for your daughter and he apparently drives recklessly. Is that “good” or “bad”? <br /><br />Look, its "ok" to say "I like a movie that children under the age of 18 shouldn't see." Porn anyone? But its not cool to defend it as a teen movie. You said to me last week "Yes, from her Dads perspective I can see how it would appear abusive." But for some reason you are saying "But from Andy's perspective its all good." <br /><br />What eves. I'm out. (not "over", but "out")kirwooddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03461069606353975518noreply@blogger.com