tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-314338408594443818.post4705584505386817274..comments2023-03-26T01:07:57.197-07:00Comments on Science Forking Fiction: The Matrix?Thorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01702255859416716456noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-314338408594443818.post-79492571388080868092011-01-27T14:37:58.394-08:002011-01-27T14:37:58.394-08:00Because that was the deal. Neo would take care of ...Because that was the deal. Neo would take care of Smith and the machines wouldn't destroy Zion. Okay fine. But once Neo defeats Smith (dying in the process), what motivation do the machines have to hold up their end of the deal?<br /><br />I think you're right. I think there is an uber-matrix and it was just never explained as part of the story. It's the only way the story makes any sense. It's the only way neo can retain his superpowers outside the Matrix, and it's the best rationalization for why the machines stop short of destroying Zion.Thorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01702255859416716456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-314338408594443818.post-63850855063163522072011-01-04T10:05:37.352-08:002011-01-04T10:05:37.352-08:00I never said mercy (but I did say honor which is a...I never said mercy (but I did say honor which is as bad :D )<br /><br />I am saying that "honor" and "mercy" are human emotions. Maybe the computer brain just doesn't lie. Why would it? Why not just say "I am going to kill you." and do it? <br /><br />One problem is the unsatisfactory ending. I *think* that there IS an uber matrix AND the computer at the end said "oh, ok, we wont kill you" just to keep Neo happy so that he wouldn't discover the uber matrix. <br /><br />Why say "I wont kill you"? What was the motivation? Really, I can't remember.kirwooddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03461069606353975518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-314338408594443818.post-21673941030523615472011-01-04T09:57:17.621-08:002011-01-04T09:57:17.621-08:002) I think exactly the opposite is true. Humans ar...2) I think exactly the opposite is true. Humans are capable of things like honor and mercy. Why would a machine choose to cripple itself with such things? There is only tactics and strategy. You are my enemy and I will do what I must to defeat you. If you deliver yourself into my hands, solve my other largest problem and say "please don't kill me now," I'm gonna f*#$ing kill you. Why would a machine choose mercy?Thorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01702255859416716456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-314338408594443818.post-66664424308704027422011-01-04T09:53:43.665-08:002011-01-04T09:53:43.665-08:001) really? That part of the story bugged me. Would...1) really? That part of the story bugged me. Wouldn't geothermal be more efficient? And why do we have to have active brains? As you say, we could be comatose and still generate heat.<br /><br />2) agreed. BUT, they ARE computers so I choose NOT to anthropomorphize them, just because humans have no honor doesn't mean that aliens and computers have no honor.<br /><br />3) Bummer.kirwooddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03461069606353975518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-314338408594443818.post-32920980424135086132011-01-04T09:48:36.727-08:002011-01-04T09:48:36.727-08:001) I'm okay with them using body heat for ener...1) I'm okay with them using body heat for energy. But if that's all they need, why bother keeping us awake?<br /><br />2) These machines do not, by any stretch of imagination, follow Asimov's laws. There's a war on, man. They're slaughtering us by the hundreds. They're not there to serve mankind. And these aren't Cylons either. They're not trying to reconcile themselves with their Human creators. They hate us (again, flawed premise) because we refused to acknowledge their sovereignty. We wouldn't let the robot nation ("01") join the UN, and we "killed" their ambassadors to that club, so they declared war on humanity. I guess it's roughly analogous to Skynet. Although, in the strictest sense, Skynet took control of humanity to serve the zeroth law.<br /><br />3) No. I held out hope until the last moment, but no. Also, they never explain why Neo has superpowers outside the Matrix.Thorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01702255859416716456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-314338408594443818.post-68330914770095264722011-01-04T09:35:41.596-08:002011-01-04T09:35:41.596-08:00yes, the suckage got worse with each movie.
1) co...yes, the suckage got worse with each movie.<br /><br />1) computers need humans for heat to create electricity? I haven't seen the movies in a while, but I glossed over that and replaced it with "computers need human brain energy" for what ever reason. Super weak, but it was the only way that I could make the story work. :D<br /><br />2)wiping out the human city, or not. I am "ok" with computers living up to their word, some sort of 4th rule of robotics. Suspension of disbelief and all.<br /><br />3)I cant remember, do we end up finding out in the end that there is an uber matrix?kirwooddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03461069606353975518noreply@blogger.com